other sources say that the number is actually much smaller, in the tens of thousands. 25,000, 35,000, 45,000. is membership in decline? >> yes. i mean, it's hemorrhaging members. >> why? >> well, part of, it i think people are becoming aware of what's going on inside the church. moreover, the secret doctrines of the church, kept secret for years, are now all over the internet. they are ridiculed on "south park." so everybody kind of knows what the secrets are inside scientology and you don't have to pay a half a million dollars to learn them. >> it's a fascinating book. thank you so much, lawrence. >> it's always a pleasure. >> lawrence wright. still ahead, the family of nfl star junior seau is suing, claiming the brain injury he got playing pro football caused his suicide. could their lawsuit actually be a game changer? also ahead, it is cold out there. but it's not just talking about here in new york. much colder than normal in much of the country. can you say 33 below? and it's not over yet. we'll explain why. ic low back p.